tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8893026474426881196.post1021421389054138395..comments2024-03-10T06:42:57.798-07:00Comments on Raptormaniacs: Not Hawks, Not Owls, and Maybe Not Even Parrots: the Parrot-like Mystery Birds of the EoceneAlbertonykushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00345306530772709064noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8893026474426881196.post-64746591364834260892020-08-23T06:32:16.847-07:002020-08-23T06:32:16.847-07:00Sorry, forgot to add my name.Sorry, forgot to add my name.BrianLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17880867575515761505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8893026474426881196.post-59111397716138613802020-08-23T06:31:20.086-07:002020-08-23T06:31:20.086-07:00Thank you for putting this together. I wasn't ...Thank you for putting this together. I wasn't aware that the neat hypothesis scooping up all these critters as 'stem-parrots' had been confined to the dustbin. As usual, life is messier than we would like it to be.<br />My money would be on raptorial traits in these birds being convergent on those in owls and accipitriforms as they seem to be lacking in most telluravians and, tellingly, basal cariamiforms (with the caveat that these may themselves of course form less of a clade than we generally assume) but for the moment being agnostic towards this issue might be the best approach.<br />Having these raptorial, (semi-)zygodactylous birds of various stripes at various loci and large size plus flightlessness clearly being in the evolutionary cards for Australaves, given cariamiforms and *Heracles* has given me a new pet hypothesis based on very little indeed: *Cladornis* was a giant, flightless basal psittacopasseraean. Boom, you're welcome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com